{"id":3588,"date":"2011-05-12T13:52:27","date_gmt":"2011-05-12T20:52:27","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/astrowin.org\/rffriends\/wpx\/?p=3588"},"modified":"2011-05-12T20:13:07","modified_gmt":"2011-05-13T03:13:07","slug":"jesus-a-probationer","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/astrowin.org\/rffriends\/wpx\/?p=3588","title":{"rendered":"Jesus, a probationer?"},"content":{"rendered":"

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Was not Jesus already a high degree initiate, raised by the Essenes, who at the baptism gave his body over to the Christ spirit who dwelt in him until the crucifixion? I ask this because here you said that Jesus was merely a probationer for the 18 years leading up to the baptism, after which he then simply became a disciple. Cosmic memory shows the many lives of Jesus leading up to the baptism. He was a great miricle worker long before this. How many probationers (or even disciples) have this capability?<\/p>\n

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Detail from Christ and the Rich Young Ruler, 1889 Heinrich Hofmann<\/dd>\n<\/dl>\n<\/div>\n

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Richard,
\nFirst, let me explain that the article you refer to, The Rosicrucian Way<\/em>, was published in the Rays magazine in 1996, and it was originally authored by the late Beryl Hamilton, who was a member of The Rosicrucian Fellowship.\u00a0 The article most likely was the text from a talk which she gave at the Fellowship.\u00a0 The information concerning Jesus\u2019 status as probationer or disciple was her interpretation \u2013 colored by her perceptions.\u00a0\u00a0 That stated, I will give some of my thoughts on the subject.<\/p>\n

The terms \u201cdisciple\u201d and \u201cprobationer\u201d or their equivalent would not be consistent throughout all periods of history.\u00a0 Furthermore, depending on one\u2019s source, whether it is from a version of the Bible or from an initiate, a clairvoyant or other authoritative and highly regarded source, there will always be variations with not all \u201cwitnesses\u201d in agreement.<\/p>\n

It is apparent to me that evolutionary progression of a soul\u2019s experience through successive incarnations does not necessarily follow a linear path that coincides with the soul\u2019s development in real time.\u00a0 There may be multiple reasons for this, but one reason may be because, ie: what would seem to be the obvious next step (for\u00a0example,\u00a0apparent progression from student to probationer to disciple) may not best serve the purpose of any given rebirth.<\/p>\n

There may be a certain specific objective for an incarnation \u2013 possibly\u00a0to provide\u00a0service and the best way to serve in a certain milieu is to be unwitting and blind, possibly through a \u201cdevelopmental injury.\u201d\u00a0 Also, there is always the possibility of regression.\u00a0 One may be an initiate, but a certain debt must yet need to\u00a0be repaid.\u00a0\u00a0If the final lessons to be learned by the prodigal spirit are lessons of humility,\u00a0one can imagine what kinds of situations teach humility.<\/p>\n

Therefore, it is not always evident; most of us cannot make a surface assessment and discern who is (or was?) a disciple or an initiate.<\/p>\n

Witnesses at all levels err.\u00a0 We see creation \u201cthrough a glass darkly.\u201d\u00a0 Some see more clearly than others, but one must rely on his own powers of observation and his own discrimination as it suits his own purpose \u2013 acting according to what he sees, evaluating the results, and modifying future actions accordingly.<\/p>\n

Regarding seership, when asked how to best develop the ability to recognize truth, Heindel said that by faithfully performing the evening exercise: \u00a0forming impartial judgment of oneself night after night, one learns to discern truth from error in a degree not attainable in any other way.\u00a0\u00a0 \u2026\u2026 It develops an inner faculty and no matter what statement is made to you, once you have developed this, you will know at once whether it rings true or the reverse. <\/em>[Letters to Students, p 99]<\/p>\n

To learn about what and how another individual \u201csees\u201d helps us to learn about ourselves, but it is through our own direct experiences that we learn best.\u00a0 Like you, my guess is that Jesus had achieved a very high state through his progression \u201cfrom clod to God.\u201d\u00a0 In order to receive The Christ with its extremely high vibration, he must have attained a very high degree of purity in all of his vehicles and have had an impeccable character.\u00a0 Does it not make sense, however, that even a precocious child grows and matures into adulthood with many of the same trials as lesser children, trials which take a certain amount of time?\u00a0 As far as I know, to some extent we are all born blind.<\/p>\n

It\u2019s very difficult to compare Jesus to so-called probationers and disciples of today. \u00a0Disciples and initiates do not identify themselves as such and do not laud their own achievements, so it\u2019s impossible to know who they are among us \u2013 how many are guiding us, either in or out of the Fellowship.\u00a0 According to Heindel, we can identify them by their fruits.\u00a0 If you do a keyword search of the Heindel complete works, (which I highly recommend\u2014the CD is available from the Fellowship) you will note that Heindel gives interesting facts about these various classifications in many passages throughout his writings.\u00a0 …ER<\/p>\n


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Christ Crowned With Thorns - 1500 - Sandro Botticelli Bergamo<\/p><\/div>
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